[00:00:00] Intro: We’re saying goodbye to the rigid numbers and strict budgets and putting relationships back at the heart of personal finance. This is more than a podcast, it’s an invitation to reimagine your money story and journey with us through a landscape of intuitive strategies and abundance. Join a community that nurtures transformative financial mindsets.

[00:00:25] Welcome to intuitive finance. I’m your host, Dylan Bain.

[00:00:36] Dylan Bain: Kristofor Healey, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. I’m super excited that you’re here because I’ve just been following your work for a couple of years at this point, and I’m super interested in your backstory and the books you’ve written and the work you’re doing with law enforcement and with men specifically.

[00:00:52] I want to start off with just kind of talking about your book, which is, you know, The Indispensable Man. What makes a man indispensable? Yeah.

[00:00:59] Kristofor Healey: So for me, indispensable, the definition I like is absolutely necessary. And to me, that is a reference to what I tried to do in my career, which was to make myself as necessary as possible for the type of work that I did, how that fit into my office, how that fit into what was being done elsewhere within my agency.

[00:01:18] I wanted to be a subject matter expert. I wanted to be irreplaceable. I want it to be. Absolutely necessary to making good cases. And then I kind of applied that same concept to life in general. In other words. Every man, every family man, every father, every husband needs to be absolutely necessary to their family.

[00:01:37] And I think in today’s modern world that we’re experiencing so much changeover in how the workplace works and some of the traditional roles that men played, the factory jobs that my grandfather worked, you know, in the Raybestos plant making asbestos brake pads. 60 years ago, those jobs don’t necessarily exist in the same way anymore.

[00:01:56] And the way that the division of labor works and relationships has changed as well, and there’s a lot more of this where we’re behind a computer screen all day, which isn’t a traditional role for the guys who were used to, you know. Banging their knuckles against things and, and, you know, lifting heavy things and doing dangerous work.

[00:02:13] And so finding a way to adapt and overcome and become more indispensable in the role that you have in the modern world that we live in is hyper important because men are losing their way. I think men are finding themselves to be completely replaceable and the culture. Is creating that when we talk about toxic masculinity and masculinity is a problem in all of these things.

[00:02:35] What we’re really saying is men are not necessary and I quote Jordan Peterson all the time. So what the hell would we do without men were absolutely necessary. And so I wrote the book indispensable because I wanted to take some of the tools and tactics and tips that I learned in my time in law enforcement.

[00:02:51] My time is a special agent, my journey and becoming more indispensable in the workplace and more indispensable in. My home life, and I wanted to share that with other men and give them what I call a tactical plan. And the tactical plan is my reference to what I would do before I would go and execute a search warrant before I would go kick a door in.

[00:03:09] There’s a whole lot of work that goes into that to get us to that point, identifying our objectives and what we’re trying to do and building the team around you and making sure that you’re, you’re executing in a way that moves you down the line towards your long term strategic goals. That’s the tactics.

[00:03:23] And so I wanted to put into a book a reference guide. For guys on how to become more indispensable and how to set yourself up for success in that regard, how to lay out the tactics that are going to get you to your strategic goals, whatever that may be. And so there’s a lot of references to my career and there’s a lot of references to what I did as an endurance athlete and as a special agent in that book.

[00:03:44] But, um, yeah, check it out if you’re, if you’re interested in that sort of men’s work, if you’re interested in that sort of background and in figuring out if there’s anything that I know that can help you.

[00:03:53] Dylan Bain: That was just audio gold. I think we could just cut the interview right there. Perfect. There are so many different pieces that you, you brought up in that.

[00:04:01] And I want to touch on when I actually go back to talking about banging your knuckles against thing because I grew up blue collar. I grew up in blue collar town. I grew up on construction crews. I threw hay at a horse farm. I’ve tossed bags of feed corn at a creamery. And I remember when I turned 18. And it was kind of this weird thing.

[00:04:18] I come downstairs, both my grandfathers are there. They have, you know, a couple of six packs of beer. We sign my draft card and then we start drinking beer. And, you know, cause if you’re old enough to die for your country, you’re old enough to drink for your country. That was their opinion to world war vets.

[00:04:33] And somewhere throughout the day, my grand, one of my grandfathers, he puts this toolbox on. The table and he says, here’s your tools that you need to be a man in life. And they were, they were, you know, channel locks and a socket set. And I still have them, but I’ve never used them professionally since. And I remember when I, you know, that same grandfather, as I, as I got older.

[00:04:55] You know, and I graduated from college and I went home and I said, grandpa, what do I do now? He said, well, go get a job. But I said, well, how do I get a job? He goes, I don’t know. I just walked into the Simmons mattress factory and asked. And so, like, I feel like we’re kind of getting it from both sides. On the one hand, our traditional roles are going away.

[00:05:11] On the other hand, our elders, our mentors don’t have the tools to help equip us for this world. So I would love your thoughts on that dynamic of we’re kind of getting it from both ends. And what do we do about that?

[00:05:22] Kristofor Healey: Yeah, and I think that because there’s a lot of different ways we could take this, obviously testosterone levels are down, right?

[00:05:26] A lot of that people talk about. It’s it’s the food additives. It’s the seed oils. It’s the things that we’re consuming and eating. But it’s also our sedentary lifestyle. Men are. 50, 000 years of human evolution hasn’t changed what our bodies are and need all that much, right? Homo sapiens sapiens is the same creature that it was when we were living in caves and drawing pictures of saber toothed cats and hunting mammoths.

[00:05:49] Like, we haven’t physically evolved that much from that creature. We may be bigger, we may be larger, maybe bigger brains, but we’re rudimentary, very primitive. Individuals still and you know, testosterone levels are down because men are supposed to be out there working. We’re supposed to. We are built on a daylight like a sun up to sundown sort of schedule.

[00:06:10] Our wives are girlfriends or not. They’re built on a very different hormonal structure and schedule, but we’re supposed to be out there doing that. Physical labor, that manual labor. That’s what we were built for. That’s what we evolved to do. And when we take guys out of those environments, we take them out of the factory jobs, out of the farm jobs, out of the physical labor jobs.

[00:06:27] And we put everybody behind a screen like this and sitting at a desk all day. It’s no wonder that our bodies aren’t getting what they need and are evolving in a way that’s benefiting us. And so I don’t know what the solution is other than to say, do hard things. I mean, I spent my career in a very physically demanding job, but still most of what I did, the vast majority of it wasn’t kicking doors in and skull dragging suspects out of houses.

[00:06:52] It was. Writing warrants, I did a lot of spreadsheets. I did a lot of 90 percent of the job involved the background work, the stuff that you don’t see on NCIS or on, you know, whatever cable news FBI show, it’s not the sexy stuff, it’s not that right. It’s not all that. And so there’s a lot of the sitting down and the being behind a desk that everybody else experiences in this modern world.

[00:07:14] And so my advice is get outside and get in connection, drop. Leave your cell phone behind, go take what the Japanese call a nature bath, go for a walk in the woods, go reconnect with what that primal self that makes you a man, makes you who you are, reconnect with those things, engage in things that are voluntary adversity.

[00:07:34] Life is still going to be very hard. It’s going to be nasty, short, and hard for all of us. And none of us are going to survive it. So you need to still prepare yourself with a certain amount of adversity. Now, our grandfathers got that. You said World War II vets. My, one of my grandfathers was a Korean War vet.

[00:07:48] The other served at the very tail end of World War II. They’re both in the military. They both worked factory jobs. They both worked hard jobs, barely one human lifespan ago, right? That’s like 70, 80 years ago. That’s how men were living. So this is a very modern thing that we’re dealing with where the entire structure of our society is changing and not necessarily in a bad way, but also not necessarily in a good way for men, for the health of men.

[00:08:11] So get yourself out there and do hard things that used to be common. That used to be the kind of stuff that your grandfathers probably didn’t have to go to the gym because they were working hard jobs, you know, nowadays, you need to do some things that are going to push you and it’s going to give you that physical necessity, that hard thing that you need to do, but it’s also going to give you some mental preparation for the adversity you’re going to face later in life.

[00:08:35] And, and I think that’s the best solution. There’s a lot of guys out there that’ll tell you, we need to work on T levels with putting in. Injections and everything else, you know, and there’s guys out there who are going to tell you about peptides and everything else. I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing.

[00:08:48] Some of that stuff is necessary for certain guys, certainly, but you can do a lot by working out, sleeping well, putting down the devices, moving more, eating more protein. All of those things are going to help you in a natural way, kind of reclaim who you’re supposed to be.

[00:09:02] Dylan Bain: I love that response since the last time when I came on your podcast, I’ve had a lot of movement.

[00:09:09] And one of the things that I, I’m an accountant by trade. And so I sit behind the desk now, you know, and then I work from home. So I’m not even walking into the office anymore. Right. And I started feeling bad. I went to the doctor. He said, well, your T levels are below 300. So he immediately recommended TRT and I, I hired, I was like, no, I’m going to hire a coach.

[00:09:28] I actually hired Josh Wood. Who’s been on this podcast before. And he’s, his whole thing was, so the problem is, is that your body is reacting to an unhuman environment. He’s like, so let’s have you just get 15, 000 steps. Let’s have you just, he’s like, I just want you to walk out. Cause I live right by a reservoir.

[00:09:44] He’s like, go find a log and pick it up and carry it to the top of the hill. Not the barbell, not the diet. Just go do this thing. And over the course of three months, I lost 45 pounds. And over the course of three months, I went, I got my, my blood drawn and my T levels, my T levels had gone from below 300 to above 1000 with no extra additives with, with, you know, and yes, I eliminated seed oils and yes, I started using glass containers and yes, but.

[00:10:12] I also was out walking every day. I would park as far away as I could. You know, I started biking to the grocery store. And so those things had such, I, so I love your answer of like, Oh, here’s this very tactical thing we all can do right today. With no preparation. We all know how to go for a walk. It’s so simple.

[00:10:30] Kristofor Healey: I like I’ve and I’ve, you know, for years and years, you know, you know, our business where I was able to leave the federal government for entrepreneurship is because we have a health and wellness business. And so this is something that I’ve talked with with clients. My wife talks with clients all the time when I work with clients.

[00:10:44] I mean, that’s the first thing I do. It’s like, oh, you want to lose weight. Well, you actually what you want to do is You want to lose fat. So if we’re talking about health. Weight loss. We’re really talking about fat loss. Well, how do we lose fat? We do two things. One, we decrease the amount of intake and two, we increase the output.

[00:11:02] And how do we do that? Those very simple things. One, pay attention to what you’re eating, reduce all the BS. Try to eat meats, berries, eggs, you know, a handful of very basic whole. Natural foods, and you can eliminate without even reading labels. You can eliminate a lot of that other garbage that is contributing to lower T levels in men, the way that we’re eating seed oils, the way that we’re eating inflammatory things that are triggering those, those gut responses that are not good for us.

[00:11:27] And then you increase your movement. You don’t even have to go and get under a barbell just 10 steps a day, a hundred ounces of water a day. Eat, try to eat one gram of protein per pound of body weight. Those really simple things that you can do move more. And I don’t even care if you’re tracking your macros, you’re going to see success and you’re going to feel better.

[00:11:43] More importantly, you’re going to sleep better. You’re going to be happier in your skin. And what happens there is you start making those promises to yourself. You start keeping those commitments to yourself. You feel better about yourself. It raises your spirits. It makes you want to go back for more. It makes you want to see more of that success and all of those things.

[00:12:00] None of that is toxic. Those things, wanting to be a useful man, wanting to be indispensable, wanting to be the kind of guy who can get out of your own goddamn way so that you can save your family from something, all of that is necessary. I mean, that is the role that you were born to play. You were born to be the protector.

[00:12:17] You’re born to be the sheepdog. It all begins with you taking that role seriously and recognizing that. So I love that. And I think for you, that’s incredible. I’ve seen that with other guys, the simplest acts can reset. Your access and get you moving in the right direction without having to go hog wild.

[00:12:34] I’m going to go all in on keto. I’m going to go all in on paleo all in on this. Hey, have you tried walking and drinking water? Can we do that? Have you tried getting 7 to 8 hours of sleep? Let’s see how you feel after a few weeks of that. And then we’ll talk about the other, you know, 201 level courses or whatever.

[00:12:50] Dylan Bain:  I do believe that there is a certain level of courage that’s required to even have that conversation, right? Like, and I see this in the financial coaching side all the time. People come in and they say, I want a crypto strategy, a short term rental strategy, and we got to learn how to pick a stock. And my first question is always how much does your budget tell you?

[00:13:07] You have to invest every month and they never have an answer for this. And so they’re, they’re so focused on the sexy flashy thing. Also, coincidentally, the thing you’d have to pay a premium to do. Yes, you’re paying me as a coach, but the thing I can, I can set you up to do for free and make myself obsolete.

[00:13:26] That’s the thing they don’t want to do. And I feel like that’s the same thing with where at the time of this recording, we’re looking at new year’s coming up. We don’t, this is obviously gonna come out after new year’s, but you know, we can all now look back at new year’s. And see all the people who started the gym again, where it’s like, you didn’t need to go to the gym.

[00:13:41] You literally just needed to walk around your block.

[00:13:43] Kristofor Healey: And that’s, here’s the other thing. Every day is new year’s day. Every day is the start of a brand new year. And there’s nothing magical about January 1st, about the calendar changing. I’ve heard that I think it’s February 19th. This is considered quitter’s day.

[00:13:54] It’s the day by which almost everybody has given up on their resolutions. And the problem with resolutions is that people are trying to make wholesale lifestyle changes. In a single day, things that they haven’t prepared themselves for. It’s kind of like what you’re talking about in a financial perspective.

[00:14:07] It’s the same thing, right? The fitness and finance are very interrelated. They’re very similar concepts. A little bit goes a long way doing, you know, small things at scale, right? Doing this, the aggregation of. Small increases is going to make the difference in the long run and so for me, it comes down to a guy who’s walking into the gym on day one is like, I’m gonna go to the gym five days a week.

[00:14:30] I’m gonna cut my calories to 2000. I’m gonna do X, Y and Z. I’m gonna do all these things. You are setting yourself up for failure because you’re not primed for that success to prime yourself for success. First of all, stop waiting for New Year’s Day. Second of all, stop putting yourself in a situation where you can’t possibly achieve this for long term.

[00:14:47] Guys overcomplicate things with regards to diet. If you cannot do it for a day, if you can’t do it for a week, you’re not gonna be able to do it for a year. So if you’re like, Oh, I’m gonna do keto. Okay, great. Are you gonna do your blood testing every single day? Are you going to make sure you’re in ketosis?

[00:15:02] What are you gonna do when it’s time for a family? Gathering or event, you have that one cookie and you might be out of ketosis and the whole thing falls apart. So when you start having those conversations with guys, they kind of look at you like, Oh, I just read this in a magazine. And that’s usually how it is.

[00:15:15] They read about crypto in a magazine or they read about keto in a magazine. They saw some Hollywood star doing his whatever diet for the next Marvel movie. And they figured they can do that too. When in the re the reality is you just need to do the little things better. You need to build that strong foundation and you’re going to have considerably more success.

[00:15:33] If you just do a handful of things well, and focus on that, let’s add the higher level stuff. Afterwards, people always want to ask me about, you know, what should I take for supplements? And I’m like, do you even know what your TDE is? Do you even know your basal metabolic rate? Do you know, like. What you’re eating right now, if you can’t answer those questions, supplements are like icing on the cake.

[00:15:53] Like you can’t bake the cake first, so don’t ask me about like what supplements you should be taking to raise your T levels. Are you getting eight hours of sleep a night? Can we start there? And guys kind of look at you like you’re crazy and you’re like, it’s basic human stuff, guys. Let’s focus on that first.

[00:16:10] And finance is totally interrelated. It’s exactly the same.

[00:16:14] Dylan Bain: When I’m doing men’s coaching, I always talk about the six F’s, you know, friends, family, food, fitness, finances, and reproduction. It’s always like the same lessons that make you successful with family are going to make you successful with friends.

[00:16:26] We’re going to make you successful with food. It’s making the translation. I think one of the lies we tell ourselves is that these things are fundamentally different. Very much so. You have to have the right gear or the right, you know, everything has to be dialed in. And it’s no different than I just had a client who hired me.

[00:16:43] We went through the intake call. I’m like, okay, cool. He wants to talk about business and stuff like that. And very first call, he sits down and goes, all right, I got to figure out how I’m going to organize my taxes from a business. I was like, well, okay. What did you talk about? Standing up the business? Is it stood up?

[00:16:58] I said, no, I haven’t even filed for the LLC yet. I said, okay, until you have positive cashflow, we don’t have anything to talk about there. Let’s talk about like the brass tacks of what’s the problem you’re solving. He’s like, no, no, it’ll be fine. I’m like, no, it won’t be like, again, you’re looking at the sexy thing.

[00:17:15] You’re not looking at the basic thing.

[00:17:16] Kristofor Healey: Yeah, and I see that all the time, too. We started out in the space wellness coaching, and ultimately a lot of our business now is consulting others in the fitness space about their businesses and how they can grow and scale their businesses. And it’s the same thing.

[00:17:30] You know, we’ve got individuals who want to hire, and it’s like, how much are you making a month right now? What do you need to hire an assistant for? What do you need to do X, Y, and Z for? Let’s, let’s. Let’s walk before we run. Let’s crawl before we walk. Let’s take these basic steps to set ourselves up for success down the road.

[00:17:46] And it’s, and it’s transferable. Those skills are transferable across fitness, finance, family, all of it. And again, like when I talk about indispensable, that’s what I’m talking about. It’s putting yourself in the position where you can be all those things. In all those areas of your life where it’s necessary for you to show up in the right way, that’s what you need to be.

[00:18:04] You need to be absolutely necessary.

[00:18:07] Dylan Bain: So one question that comes to mind is that currently in the midst of this AI revolution, I personally believe that it’s very hard to overstate the impact it’s going to have. But I also believe it’s massively oversold. You know, maybe that’s just my PTSD from data analytics days.

[00:18:21] But you know, if you have a young man who’s Who’s looking at his job and he’s like, Oh, this could be an AI automated job. How do I make myself indispensable in the business place? So I’m economically viable moving forward in the face of AI. What would you say to that young man?

[00:18:37] Kristofor Healey: I would say the AI still depends on who’s putting the inputs into the system.

[00:18:41] Right. And so there’s a lot of things that AI can enhance and automate. That’s going to reduce the amount of people necessary to do a job, right? Like you may have an entire graphics department at a newspaper and AI is going to reduce that staff considerably. 15 people don’t need to be there creating graphics when you can put inputs into a system and get those graphics.

[00:19:01] However, you need to have someone who is most well suited to know how to input that. So I’ve always looked at it as AI. It’s a natural evolution of where we are in a technological sense, and yeah, it can be a little bit scary. And there’s certainly things out there that I don’t like about it. It can make everyone more efficient, though.

[00:19:18] So if you find a way to be the guy who is the most efficient at the inputs, then you become the most essential and indispensable person in that group of people. And so I look at it this way, like in my career, If I was dealing with an attorney, right? And an attorney, obviously, there’s been some issues with attorneys using AI and it hasn’t worked out.

[00:19:38] Well, there’s been some funny and some tragic stories about case law. Hallucinating AIs. Yeah, not good stuff, right? For law enforcement or for legal purposes. However, let’s say that you’re an attorney and you work for an agency that does a lot of wills. And this is very rote. This is a very, this is a skill that, um, it doesn’t take a lot of like legal skills.

[00:19:58] Minds like you don’t have to be like, you know, number one in your class at Harvard to like write someone’s will. Right. But there are, there are things that you do have to do to create it and do it well and make it airtight. Well, let’s say you were able to do more wills because I was able to enhance the process, make it simpler, make it easier.

[00:20:15] If you were the person, if you were the guy who was able to figure out how to leverage that to use your skill and you still have to check all of those documents, you still have to make sure they’re accurate. You still have to do All of the lawyer work, but if you found a way to make it so that you could make instead of doing 10 a week, you could do 40 or 50 a week, then AI just made you, you know, the most successful attorney in your, in your practice area.

[00:20:36] Right. And so for me, it’s, it’s about leveraging the tool. It’s about anything that’s a tool. It’s about leveraging it in a way that you can use it better. We’ve seen that with social media, 10 years ago, when Instagram was first coming out, nobody would have guessed that Instagram would be used the way it is today.

[00:20:50] Nobody would have guessed that it was going to be. A way to launch businesses. My wife’s business, our business probably wouldn’t exist without Instagram. We were running in person personal training studios a decade ago. So we can’t see fully down the line, but what I do see from the social media aspect of things is that people who recognized early on the potential and became the best at getting in front of that potential are the ones who have been the most successful on those platforms.

[00:21:15] Same thing I think is going to be true for AI.

[00:21:17] Dylan Bain: Fantastic. It just finished up a conference AI where they had a gentleman who wrote his doctoral dissertation in 1972 about AI. Wow. And he has been working in the field since. And so like he is like the granddaddy. He’s a professor at Rutgers. He’s like 90 some odd years old at this point.

[00:21:37] And he gets up in front of all of these accountants and he just starts rapping on it. Like we thought it was a joke. And this guy blew us away. And he was talking about it. And I love the way that you, you talked about that tool. Cause he was talking about in his lab, he was hiring grandmasters to beat his computers.

[00:21:54] And so then, you know, he would get to this place where the computer’s winning and then suddenly the computers start losing and they sit down with the grandmaster and say, what did you do? And he’d be like, Oh, I started making irrational moves cause it couldn’t handle that. So they taught them the machine to play irrationally.

[00:22:06] Then they, you know, then it started winning, then it started losing again. And they said, okay, so I started doing this and they got to a point where. The grandmasters came to them and said, give me a computer to play with. Against your computer. And they said that, that since they did that 70 percent of the time, the human plus computer wins.

[00:22:24] His entire point was, it’s the fusion of the two that makes the ultimate machine. So I love what you say about encouraging people to embrace the tools and talk about that, because it’s a great way to make yourself. I’m one of the very few people in my company right now who’s using any type of AI, and people are like, how are you able to do what you do?

[00:22:42] I’m like, oh, yeah, I’m just good at this. But it has made me. Indispensable. Yeah.

[00:22:47] Kristofor Healey: And, you know, there’s going to come a time when, you know, the market catches up with the innovators, right? Where the market catches up with the early adopters. And if you’re an early adopter, there’s going to be platforms you jump on that fizzle out.

[00:23:00] There’s going to be things that you try as an early adopter that don’t go anywhere. I mean, there’s going to be times when it costs you money. I think about people who were early adopters. In the NFT boom or whatever, but then I also think about, you know, a decade ago when I was working at a DEA task force, and I heard about Bitcoin for the first time and, you know, if you’re familiar with the Dread Pirate Roberts case, if you’re familiar with the Silk Road case, I knew some of the guys who investigated that.

[00:23:23] In fact, I know the guy who works. Actually knocked on Ross Ulbrich’s door and identified him and delivered a package of fake IDs to him undercover and got that case going. And so that was the first time I was talking to him with my colleagues. You know, we worked a big case together later, and he was explaining Bitcoin to me, and I didn’t get it.

[00:23:41] I didn’t understand how zeros and ones and, you know, an Internet currency and He explained it to me as, listen, like you don’t actually physically have money either. Your money is going to the bank and it’s being digitally held and it doesn’t exist in practice. It’s not like they’re sending over a stack of cash with your paycheck to the bank every, every two weeks.

[00:24:02] And when I started thinking of it in those terms, it became something that, that made more sense to me now. I still missed out like at the time prior to, you know, Silk Road going down, I forget what Bitcoin was trading at, like a couple of pennies or something. Right. And then it all of a sudden bounced up to 60, 000 a coin.

[00:24:17] And there, but there were guys who worked those early cases like the Silk Road case who recognized and understood the utility of it and started buying it at that low rate. You know, 100 worth of Bitcoin back then is worth millions today. And. Yeah. I missed it. So I tell people, try not to get FOMO, try not to chase the flash in the pan, but be an early adopter of technology and do your research to figure out what the utility of it could be and how you could master that skill and use that to enhance what you’re doing or use that as a means to become more indispensable, become more valuable.

[00:24:48] Dylan Bain: Yeah, in the finance world and in Bitcoin was one of those things where I’m in the similar boat. I understood how the technology worked, but I was like, yeah, yeah. I also understand the limitations. And so when people have asked me, like, do you feel bad about that? I said, you know, it’s FOMO leads to YOLO.

[00:25:05] And when you get to YOLO, that’s when it’s a problem. If you, you want to experiment with something like set your boundaries, you know, have a plan, write down your investment strategy so that when you’re feeling emotional, you can go read what. Rational you decided to do and then follow that. I have my own speculative assets and things like that, but it never exceeds more than 10 percent of my total net worth.

[00:25:26] And because it’s the amount of money I’m willing to put in a trash can, I’ll light on fire.

[00:25:30] Kristofor Healey: I think that’s a great way to put it. And I, and I’m right there with you. I do have some, you know, I have some crypto assets and things like that, but I also own real estate and I have short term rentals and, you know, we have a cash flowing business and, you know, we make very strong, solid, traditional.

[00:25:44] Conservative choices a lot of the times, but you do want to have that inquisitive mind that is looking at the new technology and the new things coming out and saying to yourself, how could this be applied? How can I see down the road? Because again, I mean, we jumped on Instagram, I don’t know, a few years after it came on before it was owned by Metta, before it was owned by Facebook.

[00:26:03] And at the time, you know, my wife and I were racing triathlon and it was like, I would just. I was like, I don’t know what anybody wants to see on this. I take a picture of my, my triathlon bike, you know, like hashtag bike. I didn’t know, but there were people out there who were figuring it out, who were like, I can post myself doing a workout and I can give somebody a list of things to do in the gym.

[00:26:22] And they’re going to DM me and ask me for more. And I can start signing clients. And so we know people who within a few years of being on Instagram were millionaires because they were selling them. Workout plans and fitness plans, and we never saw it for that utility until years later. So I, I’ve always kind of kept those lessons in mind.

[00:26:38] I’m not going to jump to the front of the line, but I’m going to be inquisitive. I’m going to be curious. And I’ve played around a lot with AI. I’ve used it. I found that it’s a much more effective way. It’s more effective than Google. If you’re using chat GPT, you’re saying, Hey, I want a recipe for. Navy bean soup, whatever it is, like run that into chat GPT.

[00:26:56] It’s gonna be a much more efficient, timely response. You’re gonna get a better response than in Google or any other search engine. You’re not gonna have to go through all the crap to get there. So I see utilities in a day to day basis where it can make me more efficient. And if I’m more efficient because I’m using AI for certain things, then I can do more things with the time that I have.

[00:27:15] The value of my day becomes greater. Because I’m using a tool that’s leveraging my time in a better way. So I’ve leaned into it and I think other people should as well. I get it. I get the, you know, the Skynet fears. I get all of that. I understand that. And I certainly see how it can be used for evil. It can be used to enhance scammers, make tele fraud calls and things like that.

[00:27:35] I get all of that as well, but it’s not going away. And so it depends on, on, you know, you can sit back and say, I’m afraid of that, or you can lean into it and learn it and see how you can leverage it. 100%.

[00:27:47] Dylan Bain: Well, one of the things that we got brought up at this conference I was at is this is as bad as these tools are ever going to be.

[00:27:53] It’s very hard to predict where it’s going to be in nine months, let alone in nine years. So I agree with that. I use it primarily as a research assistant. That’s actually what I call it, is my research assistant. So, you know, I have to make sure my voice isn’t everything, but it’s, you know, I can send it back and be like, just spelling and grammar.

[00:28:08] Just give me, just check on spelling and grammar. Make everything the same tense, which has been pretty cool. So shifting away from that technology space, I don’t think that men were put on this planet to lead a life of technological advancement. And in many ways, I would, I have made the argument and will continue to make the argument that the opposite of masculinity is not femininity, it’s actually technology because it cuts men out of my grandfather grew up on a farm, you know, surrounded by other men in the community.

[00:28:34] But I think in a modern age, a lot of men are seeking an adventure or, you know, as you’ve termed it, the life of valor. And when I read that term for the first time, I stopped and I was like, tell me more. I immediately was sucked in by this idea. I, it had never crossed my mind, the idea of a life of valor.

[00:28:51] And I’d love to explore that with you.

[00:28:54] Kristofor Healey: Yeah. So the word valor is, has deep meaning to me as a, as a former law enforcement officer, because if you’ve ever been to Washington DC, and if you’ve ever been to the law enforcement memorial there, which has the names of over 26, 000 law enforcement officers who have been killed in the line of duty over there.

[00:29:09] The course of US history. There’s a quote from Tacitus on one of the entrances that says, “In valor, there is hope.” And I actually have that tattooed on my forearm because it’s a daily reminder for me that acts of courage create more hope for humanity, right? Acting in a way, living your life in a courageous way now, and courage, of course, it’s not the absence of fear, it’s acting in the face of fear.

[00:29:34] Acting in the face of things that are scary, it’s standing on the edge of the cliff and, you know, yes, you’re worried you might fall, but what if you fly? It’s, it’s, it’s that it’s having that attitude. It’s approaching life with a way that inspires others around you to squeeze every drop out of it. That to me is what living with valor is.

[00:29:51] And I think of that often because I know. Several names who are on those walls at the law enforcement memorial. I know guys who are no longer with us, who gave their last full measure for the country that they signed up to serve. And to me, that is living with valor, living in a way that you took on a dangerous profession, knowing what it could lead to knowing that it might cut your life short, but knowing too, that it was the right thing to do for the people around you, for your community, for the people that you intended to serve so that they could live better, safer, healthier lives.

[00:30:21] I try to think of that often. Again, it’s, it’s on my forearm. I can’t avoid it. So when I see the word valor, it’s, it’s a constant reminder to myself that you should be living in a courageous manner. You should be living in a way that honors those people who gave their last full measures so that you could be here living and breathing free air and pursuing a life of value.

[00:30:39] And so it also to me, you know, the four stoic virtues that the cardinal virtues, you know, it’s courage is one of those four virtues. Thanks. You know, alongside wisdom and justice and temperance and so living in a manner that that the Stoics identified 2000 years ago as essential to the human condition that the Christians Thomas Aquinas talks about the cardinal virtues in the same way the Stoics do.

[00:31:01] So these are are both secular and religious principles that that people have been living by for 2000 years to live a life of eudaimonia as the Greeks called it a life that is rooted in. Those core virtues rooted in virtue living the right way. Valor slash courage is one of those core principles that you need to live by.

[00:31:21] So if you’re not living a life where you are doing something that scares you every single day, if you’re not living a life where you are pushing yourself to the edge, seeing what you’re made of bringing some adversity into your life and then overcoming it, then you’re not living a full and complete life.

[00:31:36] So when I tell someone go live your life with valor, what I mean by that is. Do what scares you. What scared me was leaving a guaranteed 160, 000 a year job that I could have worked at until I was 57 and then stepped into a full pension, leaving that for entrepreneurship. That to me was the most valorous thing that I could do.

[00:31:53] I had done the job. I had been courageous on the job. I had done the scary thing on the job. It ceased to be scary to me. I mastered it. I was great at it. Let’s try something new. Let’s do something that scares the hell out of you. Something that was valorous to me was signing up for my first iron man doing 140.

[00:32:09] 6 mile human powered race. The kind of thing that I couldn’t have imagined doing getting, you know, in a pool and learning to swim so that I could swim with a thousand other people, 2. 4 miles so that I could get on a bike and ride 112 miles so that I could run a full marathon. Scary as hell, do more things like that.

[00:32:26] And that’s how you live a life with valor, scare yourself a little bit, and then imagine the results. Imagine how impressed you are with the results and what you can do with the time remaining when you do something that scares the hell out of you. So that’s the long answer.

[00:32:39] Dylan Bain: And I love that because we went from talking about the AI revolution, admittedly a scary proposition, Skynet, using all the buzzwords, unemployment, let’s throw that one out there too, too.

[00:32:50] Let’s talk about living a life of valor and courageousness. And I, I couldn’t agree more that there’s a lot of that that’s missing. My question for the young man who’s listening, who’s maybe he’s, he’s riding a desk, he’s got the white collar job, nothing in his life is. Rough, nothing in his life is scary, you know, he didn’t serve in the military, didn’t go into law enforcement and then I’ve certainly fallen that boat, right?

[00:33:15] You know, at age 18, thought about joining the Marine Corps and we got talked out of it. That’s September 11th happened, got talked out of it a second time, you know, and I did armed security, but I wouldn’t count that as overly values. I’m just dealing with drunk college kids. And what do you say to that person?

[00:33:30] It’s like, I just don’t have any danger in my life. Should I, you know, Kris, telling me to quit my job and, you know, join with the army or what would be the step that we could take to start trying to seek valor in their life?

[00:33:43] Kristofor Healey: Yeah. Let’s start by, let’s do something super simple. Take a cold shower every morning.

[00:33:48] See if you can do that for 30 days. Turn on the shower, nice and cold, step into it, stay in it for a minute and do that again and again and again. So introduce some adversity into your life, right? What is, what is, I mean, my experience in a law enforcement academy, I went through two different law enforcement academies.

[00:34:03] So I, you know, each one was about three and a half months long and it’s, it depends on where you go, but it’s a paramilitary experience. You’re, you know, you’re living on site. You’re. Polishing your boots, you’re marching to and from your, you’re doing the physical training and all that stuff. You’re getting yelled at by instructors.

[00:34:16] So it’s probably pretty similar to what a bootcamp experience is to some degree. And there’s nothing about that that makes you particularly valorous or courageous, right? It shapes you up. It teaches you how to be a part of a team. It teaches you how to push beyond your comfort zone, but you can do things like that.

[00:34:31] On your own you there are plenty of programs out there and you see them all over instagram I know beijos coelian has one and there’s different programs out there where it’s like guys are going to pay 3, 000 to go run through some crucible for the weekend and have former navy seals yell at them I might look at that and say I don’t need that because i’ve had that experience.

[00:34:49] You know I’ve been yelled at by instructors. I’ve had the muddy and bloody and puking because i’m you know in mile 120 of a of an iron man like I don’t need to pay for that experience But some people might in those, those are options that are out there. You can do that sort of work. You can figure out what you’re made of, or like I did, you can sign up for an iron man.

[00:35:09] That’s that’s, you know, nothing will test your metal quicker than, you know, seeing if you can go 140. 6 people powered miles and under 17 hours and the training it takes to even get to the start line, sign up for a bodybuilding show. Get on the stage, nothing scarier than getting on stage and having your body judged after working on your nutrition and your fitness for three months.

[00:35:28] There’s so many different things that you can do that don’t require you to leave your desk job and join the military or jump out of airplanes or become a, you know, special operations, us army range or anything like that, certainly. Those are things that will test your mettle and let you know what you’re made of.

[00:35:44] And God loves the people who do it because we need them, but there are other ways. And like I said, the simplest thing you can do is get up in the morning before the sun rises and get in a freezing cold shower. You want to figure out what you’re made of and test your metal a little bit. That’s the easiest way to add adversity to your life.

[00:36:00] Easiest. So give it a shot. Yeah.

[00:36:03] Dylan Bain: Great answer. Great answer. And I, I I’m a little bit beyond my cold shower phase. I would much prefer a cold plunge. Like the shower is like a sanctuary for me at this point, but I, I I’m not opposed to jumping into a frozen over lake in Colorado.

[00:36:16] Kristofor Healey: You can do that. You don’t even need to spend 12, 000 for an ice bath.

[00:36:22] Dylan Bain: Oh yeah, and you get the added benefit of you have to hike seven miles to do it. Yeah, yeah. Right. Then you jump in and you got to hike seven miles back. I have a friend here in Colorado who’s, you know, he went, he joined army, went special forces, did a lot of, you know, as he says, classified work, came back, became a first a structure or, you know, a regular fireman doing structure fires and then went wildfire.

[00:36:44] And when I met him, it was at an event to look at your emotions. To look into your heart. And I, I asked him, I said, what’s it like to be here? He goes, this is the scariest thing I’ve ever done. Yeah. Yeah. I asked him, I said, well, you know, a lot of people say that, like, we’re here looking at this stuff and trying to look at our own internal, you know, the blocks and things that are stopping us from living a more full life.

[00:37:06] He said, yeah, it’s easier to run. It’s easy to run into a building that’s on fire. It’s harder to sit and actually have to look at the things in your shadow. And so, like, well, I would love your opinion on that, too, of, like, if you’ve got somebody who’s, you know, they’ve done the hundred, you know, the Iron Man, they’ve done the special forces training, they’ve done, you know, the, the cold showers and plunges, what happens when they, when they get to a point where they say, you know, is that also a part of valor to be looking to be like, yeah, maybe I should figure out why I yell at my wife.

[00:37:31] Kristofor Healey: Yeah, no, absolutely. And, you know, jobs like law enforcement, military come with the part that. Doesn’t get talked about enough is the trauma that’s associated with it. You know, you wake up every day in law enforcement, you have a 20 year career before you can retire, typically sometimes longer, depending on the agency.

[00:37:47] And you step outside your door with a gun belt on every day and you’re stepping into a war zone. And then you come home and you have to live in that war zone. And I’ve, I’ve heard it said that guys come home because they’re so used to the chaos and they’re so accustomed to the chaos of the day to day operations and the op tempo and the job that they create chaos in their personal lives because.

[00:38:05] That’s the only way they feel comfortable is to come back and to pull the pin on the grenade and throw it in the door and start a fight with your wife. Because that’s where you operate your best is at that heightened level of tension, and that’s trained into you in the job. We don’t talk about that to young guys going into law enforcement.

[00:38:19] I stood. Five feet away from somebody who blew his head off and I thought about it all the time for years and my wife, you know, I mentioned it to my wife that I kind of, I think about that a lot and she’s like, you know, that’s not healthy, right? She’s like, you know, you need to deal with that. And I was like, well, you know, like, I don’t know how to deal with that.

[00:38:36] Well, my wife is. She’s training to be a somatic experiencing practitioner. She works a lot with nervous system regulation. She works a lot with helping people overcome trauma to recognize that the body holds onto these things, these events that we deal with and that we see they live in us. You and I talked a lot about that on the podcast that you appeared on with me, where you were talking about the little kid getting told he can’t have the.

[00:38:56] The bag of candy and how that’s a traumatic experience related to money that stays with you. Well, these things are experienced in all of us. And so I know several guys who are former us army Rangers. One of them, a good friend of mine. I think you’ve been on his podcast, Johnny L Sasser. He talks. To men about this all the time, about, about looking into the shadows and about doing that deep work and recognizing who you are beneath that tough exterior, because what happens in these high intensity jobs is the mission becomes everything.

[00:39:23] And we never stopped to ask who I am, what is my purpose? Because my purpose is the mission. My purpose is executing what’s put in front of me in the most efficient manner possible. And so there is that connection, that breakaway. When I first got out of law enforcement, I struggled deeply with understanding who I was without the badge, without the gun, understanding who I was and how I could bring purpose to my family, how I could bring purpose to our businesses without the authority bestowed upon me by the government.

[00:39:48] I had to develop my own authority. I had to create my own sense of self-worth and value, and that’s very tough work. I went to men’s retreats, kind of like what you’re describing. I went and I sat with guys and you know, had those tough conversations. I sat with guys who were retired firemen, guys who were retired military, who were struggling with that same sort of figuring out your purpose in the new environment.

[00:40:11] Have your purpose removed from you by leaving that, that high stress job. And what I would say is that is some of the most difficult stuff that I’ve done as well, sitting there and owning who you are and owning your own trauma and recognizing where you need to make corrections in your life can be some of the most courageous work that you do more courageous, like you said, than running into a burning building.

[00:40:33] Dylan Bain: And I always feel like there’s the balance point, right? Cause you get the guy who’s, he’s not going to do anything physically tough or, or actually scary because he’s still trying to, you know, unlock his Dick shocker or whatever. And so we all don’t want to be that guy, but at the other hand, we also have seen those first responders, like you said, where their homeostasis is shitsville and one of my good friends and mentors, Dewey Freeman has talked about that if like once the best thing a therapist can do is disrupt someone’s homeostasis, so if chaos and combat.

[00:41:02] Is your homeostasis, you know, having them sit down and be like, yeah, we’re just going to chill for a minute can be really confronting and imagine being married to a man who can’t sit still.

[00:41:13] Kristofor Healey: Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I spent a lot of time, you know, in the Rio Grande Valley on the U. S. Mexico border. And if you know, as we’re recording this, um, we just had the.

[00:41:21] The highest September crossing numbers over the highest October crossing numbers over the highest November crossing numbers over last week was the highest single day crossing numbers ever. The chaos that I experienced a decade ago was half of what it is now. So I can’t imagine what those guys who are working those posts now are dealing with, but I know the suicide rate is through the roof with, uh, with CBP, with Customs and Border Protection, which includes our border patrol agencies through the roof.

[00:41:43] One of our largest law enforcement agencies in the nation, and they have a massive suicide problem because guys are overwhelmed every single day. Divorce rates are through the roof. In law enforcement, you have a far higher likelihood of developing addiction issues than in almost any other career, because what are you told?

[00:41:58] You’re told you go into the job and you have to calm every scene. You have to be the port in every storm, and there’s a storm raging inside of you from seeing the most Terrible inhumane things that you can see on a daily basis, seeing the way that people treat each other, the way they abuse children, the way that people are willing to harm and hurt the innocence and you see that on every, on a daily basis, and then you come home and you can’t really talk about those things with your family because you don’t want to traumatize them.

[00:42:24] You don’t want to expose them to the trauma that you’ve experienced. And so what do you do? Most men, um, Many people in law enforcement. I mean, it’s it’s if you’ve ever watched the wire, Jimmy McNulty is the is the living walking experience of most men in law enforcement. They come home and they lash out.

[00:42:39] They have affairs. They drink. They do things that are letting all that tension out in a quote unquote healthy way, which is the most unhealthy way possible to deal with it. But what they don’t do It’s talk about it. They don’t go talk to a therapist because they’re afraid that if they do, they’ll have their gun and badge pulled.

[00:42:55] They’ll be put on the bench people in their, in their agency, won’t trust them anymore. So they will run on a red line until they hit a breaking point until they get caught for a DUI, until they put a gun in their mouth. They I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it firsthand time and time again. And. I went the opposite direction for me.

[00:43:13] It was, I came home under highly stressful situations and rather than grab a drink, I put on my running shoes and I would go for a 20 mile run just to get all the head trash out, just to try to eliminate all of that, that nonsense that I was feeling, but what I really didn’t do, I couldn’t talk to my wife about those things.

[00:43:29] Because if I did, then every time I walked out the door, she would be terrified that I wasn’t coming home. I had to make it sound like it was just like, Oh, I was fine. It’s hunky dory. You know, it’s, it’s an easy job, whatever. The second I would start on a night before I had an op, my wife would have this habit of, I would start laying out my duty gear.

[00:43:47] Cause I’d have to be up at four in the morning to go and execute a search warrant in some shitty neighborhood in South Houston. And I’d be laying out my gear, doing my gear checks and all that stuff. She would wander into the room and see me checking out my body armor and making sure everything was.

[00:44:00] She would almost always unconsciously pick a fight with me, and it was almost like it created a sense of separation so that in the morning when I went out to go do something, she wasn’t worried about me. She was mad at me, and I knew it was going to happen almost every time that I. That I would lay out my duty gear.

[00:44:19] So I made a point of trying to do that stuff in a way that she wouldn’t walk in and see me because it would trigger something in her that made her feel unsafe and we don’t talk a lot about those things. We don’t talk about how that has that downstream impact on us as men. It has, it has a downstream impact on us and how we show up in our families.

[00:44:35] Certainly we talk about how addiction impacts and suicide impacts people in the law enforcement veteran communities. But yeah, I mean, those things are very real and your ability to recognize and deal with. The things that you’ve, that have created that trauma in your life. And I don’t say this is exclusive to law enforcement or military service.

[00:44:53] You could have grown up in a very caustic environment where your parents were fighting all the time, where there was, there was constant tension where you were living in that heightened state of fight, flight, or freeze. And what happens to us, what happens to our nervous system in those situations is we, as I said at the beginning, we’re very primitive creatures.

[00:45:09] We still feel like when we’re in that fight, flight, or freeze mode that we’re being chased by a saber tooth cat. And if your cave is not a safe place to be, then you’re constantly living in that fear of that cat getting you, right? Same thing is true if you’re walking out the door into an unsafe environment every single day for your job.

[00:45:26] Or if you’re walking into an environment every single day at the end of the workday where you can’t express yourself. You’re gonna have to find an outlet to get all that out of your body. And some guys are gonna find the least appropriate way to do it. And most guys are, in fact.

[00:45:39] Dylan Bain: A hundred percent. I mean, I love the way you talked about coming home and the ways in which your wife is dealing with those types of things because you see it and there’s been a lot of people who push back and say like, Oh, it’s all childhood trauma.

[00:45:52] Like what’s going on for a law enforcement person? They faced a life threatening thing. But if you’re a kid and mom and dad aren’t okay. To a child that’s life threatening, you know, and if that becomes your homeostasis, then of course, you know, it’s the same thing that I had to learn when I was a teacher in the inner city of Milwaukee, it’s inner city, Milwaukee center city kids with inner city problems and Milwaukee kids, Milwaukee problems.

[00:46:14] And I had one student, she was really. Brilliant, really, you know, insightful, but she wasn’t doing well on any of the, the academic metrics that I asked her once I said, with a little extra focus, you could easily get a full ride scholarship and get out of here. And she said, I hear you, Mr. Bain, but what do I do when I’m just trying to stay away from my mom’s boyfriend?

[00:46:35] I don’t want him to get ahold of me again. It’s like, Oh, okay. So, so this is what you can’t actualize your full potential if you’re constantly under threat. And if you’ve internalized that threat, then it’s never going to go away. And then how do you love your kids? How do you get that promotion at work?

[00:46:51] How do you actually have a conversation with your friends? How do you open up to another man? If everything’s a fight. And I, I love a lot of the men’s books that have come out, you know, the works of Jack Donovan comes to mind. Yeah. We need to be tougher. And after the battle’s done, what do we do? When we hang the spears up, when we slay the tiger, when we pushed out the perimeter, what do we do then?

[00:47:13] And I think that’s the missing piece, and it certainly sounds like you’re seeing the same thing.

[00:47:16] Kristofor Healey: Yeah, and I think that there’s, you know, in the men’s space, you know, we look at, there’s the David Goggins, Shaka Willick, you know, just do it, like, get up, pussy, go, you know, that sort of side of things, and then there’s the, you know, like, Ultra spiritual woo woo, let’s all give each other hugs and do heart work and, you know, heart breathing and everything and like, it’s okay to cry, brother.

[00:47:36] You’ve been through all this. I think there’s a happy medium there. I think there is an Eastern and a Western side to look at things like I’m very, I’m very stoic and how I approach life. I recognize the dichotomy of control. I look at there’s that, that which I control and that which I do not, you know, my wife and I were talking about this the other day, how, shh.

[00:47:51] My parents haven’t come down to visit us in Texas in four years. And it’s not that we don’t talk or have conversations. It’s just that that’s not something that, that has happened and worked out. And that stuff used to bother me. It used to live inside of me. I used to be like, why am I like, am I not valued?

[00:48:06] Is it not worth it for them to come see me, et cetera, et cetera. And I had to let that stuff go. I had to recognize that that’s outside of my control. What’s within my control is my actions, my reactions, how I approach things. So I can go to them. I can bring my children to them. And I. Don’t have any right to have expectations that they’re going to do the same in return, because I don’t control that.

[00:48:24] I only control my actions, my reactions, my emotions. And if I can live within that, if I can control those things, if I can recognize my limitations and focus on being the best version of myself that I can be, then the rest doesn’t matter. Time is, you know, we talk about this all the time. We spend so much time living in regret for the past and in fear of the future that we lose the present moment.

[00:48:46] And, you know, when we can really focus ourselves and bring ourselves into what we do control and what we do not and focus on those things, then um, The now what becomes a lot easier to answer because we’re focused on the present moment and I’m doing the best that we can each day. I think I read a Seneca quote today.

[00:49:02] I think he said, focus on living each day as though it’s a full life and put things to bed at the end of the day that you’re not carrying into tomorrow with you. And that has been tremendously helpful to me in my post law enforcement career. It was helpful to me in my law enforcement career was recognizing that.

[00:49:16] I don’t control what’s gonna happen on this shift or the next shift of the shift after that i control my actions how i approach the day and if i’m living in a way that is consistent with my value if i’m living with integrity if i’m doing things the right way then i can go to bed every night knowing i lived a full and complete life and once you adopt that mindset that framework it becomes a lot easier to deal with things that are no longer.

[00:49:38] Yeah the past is dead to us right every day where every moment you know an hour ago when we started this conversation is dead to us now we can never have that back and so every moment that we’re approaching life with that fear of the future that now what attitude is taking away from our ability to live at our maximum potential in the present.

[00:49:56] Dylan Bain: Amazing, man. That’s something I just struggle with. It’s certainly a growth point for me of, you know, being here in the moment and looking at it, especially with, I think we’re always concerned about the future. And I think that’s a great place to leave this conversation, you know, until the next one, because I kind of feel there’s been next one before we sign off, though, if people, Healey in their lives, where can they come and find you?

[00:50:20] Kristofor Healey: My website’s kristoforhealey.com and it’s got that weird Swedish spelling. So you’re gonna want to check the show notes, but you can find me on instagram at team underscore healey. That’s h-e-a-l-e-y and that’s got links to my podcast the Indispensable Man Podcast. It’s got links to my books, Indispensable: A Tactical Plan for the Modern Man and the upcoming book that’s coming out this year is called In Valor: 365 Stoic Meditations for Law Enforcement. I’m writing a book specifically like Similar to the daily stoic, but intended for first responders and law enforcement to give them some of those mindset tips that I picked up along the way that’ll be coming out in the next quarter.

[00:50:57] And you can find me, like I said, on the indispensable man podcast, where I get on there two, three times a week. And I just talk to interesting people and guests and give some tips, tools, and tactics on how to live your life with Valor.

[00:51:08] Dylan Bain: Amazing. Well, thank you so much for your time and coming on the podcast and thank you for all the work you’re doing with our defenders of society.

[00:51:15] Kristofor Healey: Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

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